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camrogers ([personal profile] camrogers) wrote2010-05-20 08:43 pm
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Day 7(?): In-flight and wandering.

England looked so beautiful from the air. Possibly an unremarkable observation if you live there, but for me it's pure Tolkien. Even the man-made rises fringing the runway, dotted with trees, was intensely and indulgently verdant. I first, properly, had a chance to be inside a forest when I was sixteen. I saw it from a distance at a school camp to Lake Tinaroo on the Atherton Tablelands north of Cairns. It was on the other side of the lake (that itself was manmade, the product of damming up the river and flooding the valley - submerging the Chinese goldmining community that had made the place their home. You can still dive what's left of the ruins.)

The buildings were on one side, the pine forest (again, a manmade plantation) was on the other. I had arranged to skive off something and attempt to walk around the lake. Figured it'd take hours but worth it if I could spend even five minutes vanished inside it. On that day I walked for hours, and never made it, though a stray dog kept me company the entire way. I'd seriously underestimated the distance and so headed back. Felt bad having to leave the dog, at the end.

A year or so later I arranged a camping trip with Eric and Drew. Got dropped off at the township and hiked around the lake. Finally go to sleep inside that forest.

Lifting off from Gatwick and looking out the window showed a countryside deeply emerald and carved into floppy squares by rounded, fluffy treelines. And, man, did I just want to get out and walk.

It wasn't until that moment, actually, lifting higher, that I properly realised just how long it would be before I was back in the UK. August at the earliest, possibly longer. Until then it had felt like I was just stepping out for a bit. And then, abruptly, it vanished beneath the clouds, green submerged beneath white, a flash of riverwater and that was that.

DK went back to Istanbul and walked the streets where his mother grew up, visited a few landmarks. It was quite a significant experience for him. I'd like to have the same. I think I'd like to feel some kind of connection to history, even if I can't sensibly claim any kind of role in it. I've had Russian cabbies assume I was Russian from my look, I've had Americans and English people assume wonder if I was French. It leaves me feeling a little insubstantial, not really knowing. Like I was built and installed, cold and abrupt and stand-alone, rather than concieved as part of a genetic continuity.

Captain just announced we're on approach. Holy crap, I can see the archipelago. It's beautiful.

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
It does feel a little weird knowing you're not around, I have to admit.

I'm not sure whether it's better not to know one's origins, and be an enigma, than to know them and be crushingly aware (as I am) of how limited the geographical scope of one's family really is.

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
It's best to know, I think.

No matter how flimsy it is: I am related to Charlemagne, which is a hell of a bitchslap if one finds someone who (a) knows who Charlemagne was (which is hard) and (b) gives a toss (which is harder) and (c) can be convinced it matters (which is easy).

[identity profile] patchworkkid.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:33 am (UTC)(link)
Oh nice! Damn.

I'm related to murderers, gunmen, gamblers and reprobates. Two gen ago, anyway. Kinda hoping elder ancestors redeem them.

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
Queenslanders: all inbred. :)

/srsly, not. I like Queensland more than NSW. Southern Qld at least.
Also, go, fuck off, be European.

[identity profile] belegdel.livejournal.com 2010-05-21 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. I'm apparently related to Ben Hall. My father calls his family "a bunch of bloody ratbags". All Queenslanders :)

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:33 am (UTC)(link)
There's a theory that everyone's related to Charlemagne, though (well, everyone of European ancestry, anyway) - once you go back that many generations, everyone's related to everyone. It's called the ancestor paradox.

Being provably related (i.e able to actually trace the family line that far) is another matter though!

My family are from a small mining community new Newcastle. My family name (not the one I use now) is the name of a town a few miles away from where I grew up. It's frankly embarrassing how short a distance my paternal line has managed to move.

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
here's a theory that everyone's related to Charlemagne,
Oh, there's always a smarty-bloomers.

Also, (d) pays attention to history. ;)

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, there's always a smarty-bloomers.

And it's quite often me, I'm afraid. Sorry to pop your Bubble of Specialness!

Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
It's okay, I am (AFAIK) specially related, not like you bastard sons and daughters.

(Does the UK have bloomers?)


/Smart grrls can pop by bubble and squeak any time.


Re: Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
As in the Victorian/Edwardian underwear?

Re: Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, have you missed out on the most recent Insane Clown Posse video "Miracles"?

The meme du jour, based on that is "BLOODY OBVIOUS THING, How Does It Work?"

It's Thursday AM there? Save it for Friday after a drink or two. Or nine.
Then look on the You Of Tubes.

Re: Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
No I've not. It's Thursday lunchtime here, and I can't YouTube from work! I will go and look at it later on.

(I can actually tell you how bloomers work, in terms of the mechanics of being able to use the toilet while encumbered by layers of skirts, petticoats and voluminous underwear. Many early bloomers were 'splitters', i.e. crotchless, or had a removable panel, so didn't have to be completely removed in order to urinate. It wasn't until the late 1910s, when women's fashions became more practical and simple and allowed more freedom of movement, that full gussetted underwear became the norm. WHY DO I KNOW THESE THINGS?!)

Re: Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Many early bloomers were 'splitters', i.e. crotchless, or had a removable panel

That would have made primary school MUCH MORE FUN!

WHY DO I KNOW THESE THINGS?!)
I don't know, but there's probably a career in it.

Re: Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You wore bloomers at primary school? What sort of sissy school did you go to?

(There is the possibility that bloomers means something slightly different on that side of the planet.)

Re: Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but I was a boy, in Perth. Skirts were short and bloomers* were in primary colours,'


(* Bloomers, are not unlike granny pants)

Re: Also, bloomers, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah! Those sorts of things are usually called 'school knickers' or 'gym knickers' in the UK. Bloomers are the frilly white Victorian things.

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
Stop trying top make me jealous.
I'll fucking roshambo you.
*Wif ma docs*

DOCS!
(If you didn't and haven't, you should totally watch Grand Designs and Britain From The Air/River by Andrew Marr. 'Mazing.)

BTW, I suffered a few hours wait in Brisbane airport. I figure I was Jebus suffering a delay for you. No need to thank.

(Also, speak to Cavalorn about Ian/Serpentstar if you get to the end o' trip and want to stay. He's in Wales and often later in the year is seeking a house sitter. If you want to stay, that is).

[identity profile] patchworkkid.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
o.O

Serpentstar doesn't know me from Adam... but I may well do. Thanks!

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, he does. He's an old AG'er, ran New Aeon with Cav and, in addition, wrote some Conan and DRAGON WARRIORS (caps intended) RPG books.

Also, fucking Wales man.
How does that work?


[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
Also, fucking Wales man.
How does that work?


Some sort of scuba gear, I'd imagine.

[identity profile] patchworkkid.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
Wales, not whales.

(Yoo not down with the ICP?)

[identity profile] patchworkkid.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh wait. Yeah. I do know of him. Dunno if we ever spoke tho.

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
We hadn't, much, until I went to the UK and he said "stop by, see the green hills". That's why I reckon with your shared interests, and non-specific deadlines, and Cav, well, it can't hurt to mention it.

[identity profile] cavalorn.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
His is the house I wrote the Book of Unremitting Horror in. It's a very good place to write!

[identity profile] greylock.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
His is the house I wrote the Book of Unremitting Horror in.

I have never wanted to work for Lonely Planet/etc more, in my life, than I have at this very moment in time.

In fact, if someone chucked me a contract for Lonely Planet: Wales, and required me to leave on Saturday, 24 hours before the end of LOST, I would so be up in that, seven years of Tele-novela be damned.

That phrase needs to be chiseled on the rock faces of MARS.

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[identity profile] damien-wise.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Stop trying top make me jealous.
I'll fucking roshambo you.
*Wif ma docs*


IAWTC. :-P

[identity profile] drwally.livejournal.com 2010-05-20 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes I think that's why Australians tend to travel so much. Our country is so young. You want to go to places that have deeper history, have buildings older than 100, 200yrs. Going to Rome and seeing new (or old) graffiti on places that are 1,000 years old really smacks something into you.

And yeah, the green of the UK really awakens some kind of preternatural roaming instinct. You kind of want to just head deep into it. It's not like the Australian bush, where snakes or spiders or some kind of death awaits. It's so much more lush.

[identity profile] belegdel.livejournal.com 2010-05-21 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes I think that's why Australians tend to travel so much. Our country is so young. You want to go to places that have deeper history, have buildings older than 100, 200yrs. Going to Rome and seeing new (or old) graffiti on places that are 1,000 years old really smacks something into you.

QFT
+1

Australian bush,

Agreed, bush =/= forest.
(Mind you, Australian rain forest _can_ hit the "enchanted forest" mark dead-on)