Myself, I'd go easy on amateurs. I'm not going hard on amateurs.
There's still a serious point to be made in that amateurs literally perform their art or craft for the love of it - to be paid and to have that as your main source of income immediately changes the deal. I'm not talking about money. As I said to Christian, I know someone who has written 7 novels, had none published, and he's probably more of a writer than I am because of it.
We all love to mock 'hacks' as much as we like to mock the person who does night-classes in a daggy craft. I don't.
'Artist' is a tough word, and the Romantic movement has a lot of answer for. People get this maggot in their head about artists somehow being above filthy lucre and the market, or that art is 'inspired' rather than more like what we traditionally associated with a craft I don't. In fact I said as much to Christian, with examples. And he quoted me as having said the same in the past.
I think the christian is right about the role of Medieval artists - they weren't seen as especially inspired or special Yes, they were.
so much as the work they did glorified someone else, either their master or ultimately God. That wasn't just what Christian said it was also myself. I also said the fact that they paid the bills didn't detract from the accepted importance of what they did.
They were of the artisan class, not artists. Far more like our ideas of graphic designers, advertising and film industry folk today. I said the same to Christian, citing examples from the publishing industry, including my own experiences.
I think you may have missed my point. Aside from the fact that a lot of what you bring up I spoke of in my exchange with Christian, it's not about money and it's not about 'going hard' on amateurs. I can't hep but feel that you've seen all this as nothing more than my sledging people who haven't had a break in the industry. That's not it at all. It's about the worth of a word.
Re: Arty types
I'm not going hard on amateurs.
There's still a serious point to be made in that amateurs literally perform their art or craft for the love of it - to be paid and to have that as your main source of income immediately changes the deal.
I'm not talking about money. As I said to Christian, I know someone who has written 7 novels, had none published, and he's probably more of a writer than I am because of it.
We all love to mock 'hacks' as much as we like to mock the person who does night-classes in a daggy craft.
I don't.
'Artist' is a tough word, and the Romantic movement has a lot of answer for. People get this maggot in their head about artists somehow being above filthy lucre and the market, or that art is 'inspired' rather than more like what we traditionally associated with a craft
I don't. In fact I said as much to Christian, with examples. And he quoted me as having said the same in the past.
I think the christian is right about the role of Medieval artists - they weren't seen as especially inspired or special
Yes, they were.
so much as the work they did glorified someone else, either their master or ultimately God.
That wasn't just what Christian said it was also myself. I also said the fact that they paid the bills didn't detract from the accepted importance of what they did.
They were of the artisan class, not artists. Far more like our ideas of graphic designers, advertising and film industry folk today.
I said the same to Christian, citing examples from the publishing industry, including my own experiences.
I think you may have missed my point. Aside from the fact that a lot of what you bring up I spoke of in my exchange with Christian, it's not about money and it's not about 'going hard' on amateurs. I can't hep but feel that you've seen all this as nothing more than my sledging people who haven't had a break in the industry. That's not it at all. It's about the worth of a word.